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050: The Point C Divorce: A Five-Minute Fable That Puts Kids First, with Larry and Joni Jones

In this episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista welcomes Larry and Joni Jones, the creators of “The Point C Divorce,” a five-minute animated fable designed to help parents, attorneys, and professionals refocus on children’s well-being during divorce. Larry, a retired New Jersey Superior Court judge, and Joni, a board-certified psychiatric and mental health nurse, mediator, and restorative practice facilitator, combined their professional expertise and personal experiences to create a short but powerful video that shines a light on how parental conflict can harm children.
The conversation traces the origins of Point C, which began with Larry sketching ideas on a pizza box after a particularly painful custody case. The video has since been used in courtrooms, mediation, and educational programs across the country, resonating with families and professionals alike. Larry and Joni explain how the fable illustrates the dangers of parents becoming consumed by litigation at the expense of their child’s emotional health.
Joni shares how her own childhood experience with divorce shaped her perspective, emphasizing the importance of skill-building and forgiveness in helping families move forward. Together, she and Larry stress the need for attorneys, mediators, and parents to rethink how conflict is handled and to recognize that litigation often undermines the very “best interests of the child” it claims to protect.
The episode highlights the long-term effects of contentious divorces, from fractured parent-child relationships to mental health struggles for children. Krista, Larry, and Joni discuss practical tools, such as effective listening, expectation-setting, and restorative practices, that can help parents break the cycle of conflict. You will come away with a deeper understanding of how Point C offers a wake-up call to keep children’s voices and well-being at the center of family law.
In this episode, you will hear:
The inspiration behind “The Point C Divorce” and how it began on a pizza box
How the five-minute fable helps parents and professionals see the child’s perspective
Why litigation often contradicts the “best interest of the child”
Joni’s personal story as a child of divorce and how it influenced her work
Tools for parents: skill-building, heartfelt forgiveness, and active listening
The role of attorneys and mediators in shaping respectful, child-centered outcomes
Why kids often just want the fighting to stop, no matter which parent is “right”
Resources from this Episode
pointcdivorce.com
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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049: How to Tell Kids about Divorce: with Parenting Expert Christina McGhee

In this episode, host Krista Nash sits down with parenting expert, author, and coach Christina McGhee to tackle one of the most difficult moments in divorce: telling your children. Christina, who has spent over two decades helping families navigate separation, shares compassionate, practical guidance for parents who want to put their children first during this life-altering conversation.
Together, Krista and Christina explore the emotional weight parents carry and the common mistakes that can undermine a child’s sense of security. Christina emphasizes the importance of clarity, preparation, and unified messaging, reminding parents that while the marriage may be ending, parenting is not. She introduces strategies such as framing divorce as a change rather than an ending, using age-appropriate language, and avoiding over-sharing or placing emotional burdens on children.
Listeners will also hear insights into how children of different ages process divorce, the dangers of using children as confidants, and the long-term impact of blurred boundaries. Christina offers practical tools for ensuring children feel a sense of belonging in both homes and encourages ongoing dialogue rather than a “one and done” conversation.
In this episode, you will hear:
Divorce doesn’t end parenting—it changes how you parent.
Always use clear, age-appropriate language, including the word “divorce.”
Never make your child a confidant or emotional caretaker.
Prepare and plan the conversation instead of “winging it.”
Make it an ongoing dialogue, not a one-time event.
Resources from this Episode
Christina McGhee, Divorce Parenting Expert, Trainer, Coach, Author, Education & Training Director: SPLIT Films – Divorce and Children, LLC
https://coparentingspecialist.com/
https://divorceandchildren.com/
Book: Parenting Apart: How Separated and Divorced Parents Can Raise Happy and Secure Kids
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=parenting+apart+christina+mcghee&crid=3T5BH29G1YY0&sprefix=parenting+apart%2Caps%2C163&ref=nb_sb_ss_p13n-pd-dpltr-ranker_2_15
https://divorceandchildren.com/about-christina-mcghee/
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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048: Co-Parenting After Divorce: Tips for Successful Communication

Co-parenting after divorce is one of the most difficult challenges parents face. In this solo episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista draws on her experience as an attorney, mediator, and child advocate to share practical strategies for improving communication between separated parents. With Colorado’s focus on the best interests of the child, Krista emphasizes that effective communication isn’t just a convenience; it directly impacts children’s stability, peace, and well-being.
Krista explores common hurdles like old wounds resurfacing, mismatched communication styles, tone problems, and mistrust, all of which can derail even the most routine exchanges. She explains how parents can shift from reactive arguments to constructive conversations using the BIFF method (Brief, Informative, Friendly, Firm), and why choosing the right communication platform can reduce conflict and create a reliable record.
From setting boundaries on response times to prioritizing the child's needs, Krista provides actionable ways parents can work together as a team. She stresses that communication should be approached like a business partnership with one shared goal—the care of their children.
Krista also highlights resources for families in Colorado, including co-parenting apps, mediation, parenting classes, and counseling options, all of which can help parents strengthen their approach when communication feels impossible. The episode concludes with an important reminder: children notice how their parents speak to and about one another. Respectful exchanges model cooperation and reassure children that they come first.
This episode is a practical guide for parents, professionals, and anyone supporting families navigating life after divorce. By adopting healthier communication strategies, parents can reduce conflict, protect their children’s peace, and build a more supportive two-home family dynamic.
In this episode, you will hear:
Communication challenges divorced parents face
How the BIFF method helps diffuse conflict
Why using co-parenting apps improves clarity and accountability
Ways to set boundaries and avoid emotional reactions
The importance of keeping children in the center, not the middle
Resources in Colorado for co-parenting support
Resources from this Episode
highconflictinstitute.com/high-conflict-strategies/how-to-write-a-biff-response
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggXhQLihi54
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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047: Verified Sobriety: How U-VERIFY™ Protects Children in Family Law

In this episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista speaks with Tim Reid, Director of Business Development at U-VERIFY™ Testing.
Originally from Australia, Tim now lives in Austin, Texas, and works closely with U-VERIFY™’s San Diego-based laboratory while often connecting with clients and partners in Indiana. With a background in clinical pharmacology and experience across multiple industries, Tim introduces U-VERIFY™, a testing service designed to eliminate many of the problems family law professionals face when monitoring substance use. Traditional drug and alcohol testing often relies on inconvenient, costly, and sometimes unreliable methods. U-VERIFY™ changes this landscape with legally defensible, DNA-verified urine testing that can be completed remotely while protecting children and supporting accountability.
Krista and Tim explore why urine remains the gold standard for drug and alcohol testing, the challenges of tampering with traditional tests, and how DNA verification ensures results truly belong to the individual tested. They also discuss the limitations of breathalyzers, the importance of comprehensive testing panels, and how U-VERIFY™ helps build trust between co-parents in high-conflict custody cases.
By addressing both the science and the legal practicalities, Tim demonstrates how this service strengthens safety measures for children while streamlining the testing process for families and attorneys.
In this episode, you will hear:
Urine remains the preferred specimen type for reliable drug and alcohol testing
DNA verification removes the need for invasive observed collections
Breathalyzers have limits, so using complementary tools may be necessary
U-VERIFY™ covers more than 70 substances, including alcohol, fentanyl, and prescription drugs
Legally defensible results backed by accredited lab standards
Remote testing streamlines the process, reduces conflict, and helps build trust in co-parenting
Resources from this Episode
www.phamatec.com 
www.uverifytesting.com
uverify@phamatech.com for more info
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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046: Teaching Kids to Cope: The Program Born from One Father’s Divorce Story with Dr. Don Gordon

In this episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista Nash talks with Dr. Don Gordon, a clinical child psychologist and Executive Director of the Center for Divorce Education. Dr. Gordon shares how his personal experience with high-conflict divorce shaped his mission to help families reduce stress and improve parent-child relationships through evidence-based education.
Their conversation centers around “Children in Between,” a widely used court-mandated parenting program, and its new companion course for kids. Dr. Gordon explains why emotional literacy, stress reduction, and safe communication are critical tools for children during separation and divorce. He also discusses the neuroscience of fight-or-flight responses in parents, how to interrupt reactive behaviors, and why involving kids in conversations about their feelings changes outcomes for life.
Divorce doesn’t have to break a child’s emotional foundation if we give families the tools to manage it with care.
In this episode, you will hear:
Parents need training for co-parenting under stress, not just general parenting
Children benefit when they learn how to name, share, and manage emotions
Divorce stress impacts a child’s long-term relationships and mental health
Online programs can support families with low-cost, effective tools
Teaching emotional regulation improves how parents and kids relate
Kids internalize conflict when they feel caught between two parents
Loyalty conflicts do more harm than divorce itself
Involving both parents in emotional coaching gives kids double the support
When parents model calm responses, kids learn resilience
Proactive education reduces litigation and emotional fallout
Resources from this Episode
www.childreninbetweenforkids.com 
www.childreninbetween.com
online.divorce-education.com
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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045: The Child’s Voice vs. The Child’s Best Interest: Lessons from New York with Judge Peggy Walsh

In today’s episode of Children First Family Law, Krista welcomes retired New York Judge, Peggy Walsh, who brings decades of experience from both the Family and Supreme Courts. Judge Walsh unpacks how New York’s family law system centers children’s voices in custody cases and what the rest of the country can learn from it.
Krista and Judge Walsh explore how attorneys for children play an active role in advocating for a child’s stated preferences, even when they differ from best interest arguments. They also compare New York’s court structure with Colorado’s, explore trauma-informed judicial practices, and reflect on how systems either empower or silence young voices. Judge Walsh shares how she approached in-camera interviews with children and how her bench experience now informs her work as a coach for co-parents navigating conflict.
When a child tells their attorney what they want, that’s not just testimony. It’s a window into what makes sense for that child’s life.
In this episode, you will hear:
Child attorneys in New York reflect what the child wants, not what adults believe is best
Best interest and expressed interest often overlap, but not always
New York courts offer every child legal representation at no cost
Judges rely on in-camera interviews to hear from children directly
Ethical representation includes guiding children without overriding them
Professionalism in family court matters more than persuasion
Trauma-informed courts reduce harm during high-conflict litigation
Courts trust parents to decide, and judges step in only when needed
Kids in the middle of conflict often show internal distress
Co-parenting coaching offers an alternative to repeated litigation
 
Resources from this Episode
peggywalsh.com
thecoparentcoach.com
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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044: Do Your Job!: How to Parent after Divorce, with Alaska’s Allen Levy MS LPA

In today’s episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista Nash welcomes Allen Levy, an Anchorage-based mental health professional and parenting educator, for a direct and thoughtful discussion on how to parent after divorce. Allen draws from over two decades of work with high-conflict families to explain why parenting after separation needs to be treated as a job share, not an emotional battleground.
He shares the framework behind his post-separation parenting curriculum, which was developed through years of real-world experience and is now utilized in workshops, therapy sessions, and court-ordered education. This approach teaches parents to focus on four core duties: communication, decision-making, problem-solving, and conflict resolution across key parenting domains like education, healthcare, and family routines.
Through structured rules, concrete strategies, and clear analogies, Allen reframes co-parenting as professional conduct, not emotional entanglement. The result? Less conflict, fewer court battles, and healthier kids.
You don’t need both parents to change. When one parent acts with professionalism, it can shift everything.
In this episode, you will hear:
Parent-child relationships must come before parent-to-parent conflict
Parenting is a job with duties, boundaries, and standards
Effective communication focuses on children, not personal grievances
Shift changes (custody exchanges) should feel routine and drama-free
Parallel parenting can work even when co-parenting is unrealistic
Focus on behaviors, not blame or psychological explanations
Avoid the trap of sharing emotional information with your ex
Protect kids from conflict by removing them from the middle
Redefine success by how well parents manage the job, not how they feel
One parent can shift the dynamic, even if the other won’t change
Resources from this Episode
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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043: Comfort in a Ball: How Mimbleballs Help Kids (and Adults) Cope with Big Feelings with Julia Chambers, Creator of Mimbleballs

In today’s episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista sits down with Julia Chambers, creator of Mimbleballs, to explore how one quirky, fuzzy tool helps kids—and adults—manage big feelings. What started as a DIY craft with her son became a comfort object now used by therapists, attorneys, first responders, and families across the country.
Julia shares how Mimbleballs provide tactile support, regulate nervous systems, and open emotional pathways during tough transitions like divorce, court appearances, or co-parenting changes. She and Krista also discuss the deeper mission behind the brand, including its work with schools, nonprofits, and professionals helping children feel safe and seen.
Sometimes healing starts with a hug—even from a fuzzy face with googly eyes.
In this episode, you will hear:
Breaks the ice in court-involved or high-stress settings
Supports emotional regulation through texture, movement, and play
Works across ages and developmental stages
Opens communication when words feel hard
Helps professionals and parents build trust with children
Bridges transitions between homes or family systems
Encourages self-soothing and emotional expression
Promotes silliness, safety, and connection in difficult moments
Gives children a reliable source of comfort they can carry with them
Strengthens co-parenting dynamics through shared emotional tools
Resources from this Episode
www.mimbleball.com (Use code MBLOVE for the website shop for 10% off your entire purchase)
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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042: Blending StepFamilies with Heart and Wisdom: Dr. Ann Ordway

In today’s episode of the Children First Family Law podcast, Krista Nash welcomes Dr. Ann Ordway, a family law attorney, parenting coordinator, and stepfamily coach. Together, they unpack what it takes to build a healthy blended family, one grounded in patience, emotional awareness, and long-term thinking.
Dr. Ordway shares what works and what fails when families blend too quickly. She draws on her professional expertise and personal experience of raising seven children in a blended family. They explore how children react to transitions, how co-parents can support one another across households, and how step-parents can earn trust instead of expecting it.
This episode gives parents and professionals a roadmap for blending families that prioritizes emotional safety and sets children up to thrive.
In this episode, you will hear:
 
Begin stepfamily transitions by acknowledging loss and grief
Give each child space to adjust at their own pace
Slow down recoupling to avoid emotional whiplash
Approach introductions gradually, with clear communication
Build step-parent relationships through trust, not authority
Spend one-on-one time to strengthen individual bonds
Coordinate with co-parents to reduce confusion and fear
Keep children in familiar spaces when possible
Treat stepchildren and biological children equitably
Model respectful relationships between all households
 
Resources from this Episode
www.afccnet.org/About/Staff/ann
www.stepfamily.org
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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041: Fathering After Divorce with Dr. Marsha Kline Pruett

In today’s episode of Children First Family Law, Krista welcomes Dr. Marsha Kline Pruett, a clinical psychologist, researcher, and nationally recognized authority on child development, co-parenting, and father involvement. Together, they explore what healthy post-divorce fathering looks like and what professionals and parents can do to foster those relationships.
Dr. Pruett draws on decades of experience working with families in the U.S. and internationally, including groundbreaking work with the California Office of Child Abuse Prevention and long-term studies on parenting partnerships. She discusses how early father involvement impacts long-term child development and why gendered parenting roles still influence family law decisions.
This episode also explores the pitfalls of rigid parenting plans, the pressure of 50/50 custody expectations, and how children process family dynamics differently than adults often assume. Dr. Pruett explains how to build trust between co-parents, why gatekeeping harms both children and relationships, and what attorneys and therapists should stop doing if they genuinely want to serve families well.
This episode challenges assumptions about post-divorce parenting and offers a path forward where fathers stay connected, kids feel secure, and co-parents build trust, one interaction at a time.
In this episode, you will hear:
 
Early father involvement as a foundation for long-term connection
Gatekeeping and how it limits father-child relationships post-divorce
Flexible parenting plans that reflect a child’s real-world needs
Emotional safety over rigid time-sharing structures
One-on-one time is more impactful than group settings
Building co-parenting trust through consistency and accountability
Harmful professional dynamics when attorneys mirror client conflict
Benefits of parallel parenting when co-parenting isn’t possible
Starting fresh, no matter how long it’s been
Supporting fathers without undermining maternal relationships
 
Resources from this Episode
marshapruett.com
Book: Partnership Parenting: How Men and Women Parent Differently-Why It Helps Your Kids and Can Strengthen Your Marriage: www.amazon.com/Partnership-Parenting-Differently-Why-Strengthen-Marriage/dp/0738213268
Book: Your Divorce Advisor: www.amazon.com/Your-Divorce-Advisor-Psychologist-Emotional/dp/0684870681
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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