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083: Trust, But Verify: How Soberlink Is Changing Sobriety Monitoring in Family Law, with Soberlink’s Mike Fonesca

Alcohol use in custody cases rarely announces itself. In this episode of the Children First Family Law™ Podcast, Krista Nash sits down with Mike Fonesca, national sales manager at Soberlink, to talk about one of the most practical and reliable tools available to family courts today: real-time alcohol monitoring.
Mike breaks down how Soberlink works, why testing frequency matters more than most parents and attorneys realize, and how the device's facial recognition and tamper-detection technology make it far harder to game than cheaper alternatives. He also covers pricing, the financial assistance program, and how authenticated records hold up in court.
The real thread running through this conversation is trust. Used correctly, real-time monitoring gives families a credible path forward, one built on documented accountability rather than accusation.
In this episode, you will hear:
How Soberlink works, from the breath device and facial recognition to real-time compliance reports
Why testing frequency matters and what "two tests a day" fails to prove in a custody case
The three risk categories courts use to determine monitoring requirements
How tamper-detection technology exposes falsified breath samples and identity fraud
The difference between Soberlink's FDA-cleared device and cheaper consumer-grade alternatives
Pricing, rental options, and the financial assistance program for qualifying families
Why real-time monitoring builds trust between co-parents rather than simply catching violations
Resources from this Episode
https://www.soberlink.com/
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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082: AI in Divorce: What to Trust, What to Question, and What Could Hurt Your Kids–with Jamie Pima

Artificial intelligence is showing up in divorce cases at every stage, and most parents have no idea how to use it well or where it can quietly steer them wrong. In this episode, Krista Nash sits down with Jamie Pima, a former Morgan Stanley and Fidelity executive turned certified divorce financial analyst and founder of SecureSplit, who brings a rare combination of high-level financial expertise and firsthand experience with a difficult personal divorce.
Jamie breaks down exactly how AI can serve as a research tool and co-pilot through the financial complexities of divorce, and where it becomes a liability. He and Krista also get into how parents can use AI to draft better co-parenting communications and build more thoughtful parenting plans.
The tools exist. This episode is about learning to use them wisely.
In this episode, you will hear:
How AI is already reshaping divorce, from financial analysis to parenting plan drafts
Why prompt quality determines whether AI helps or misleads, and how to write better ones
The real risks of AI hallucinations in legal and financial contexts
How parents can use AI to soften co-parenting communications before sending them
What certified divorce financial analysts do that attorneys and AI cannot
SecureSplit, a new platform built to give both professionals and consumers better financial tools for divorce
How protecting children from conflict starts with the financial decisions parents make early
Resources from this Episode
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
https://allegiantds.com/team/jamie-lima/
https://securesplit.com/
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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081: The Most Stressful Part of Divorce for Kids (That No One Talks About) with Dr. Michael Saini

For most divorcing parents, the handoff between homes is treated as a scheduling detail. Dr. Michael Saini, professor at the University of Toronto and one of the leading researchers in high-conflict family dynamics, has spent years studying what actually happens to children during those moments, and the findings are hard to ignore. Krista Nash welcomes Dr. Saini back to the Children First Family Law Podcast for a conversation about his latest research, which examined 20 years of court cases to understand how judges, attorneys, and families are handling what he calls "changeovers," and where they're falling short.
Dr. Saini's research reveals that for many children, the transition between homes ranks among the most stressful parts of the entire separation experience, yet courts rarely address it in any meaningful detail.
This episode offers a clear-eyed look at what children actually need before, during, and after each changeover, and why it deserves far more attention than it gets.
In this episode, you will hear:
Why the moment children move between homes is often the most stressful part of the divorce experience
What 20 years of court cases reveal about how rarely judges address changeover planning in any meaningful detail
The hidden emotional labor children carry before, during, and after every transition between homes
How camera surveillance and litigation-driven behavior at exchanges affects children's long-term sense of safety and trust
What children actually need in the 30 minutes before a changeover and the adjustment period after arriving at the next home
Why school exchanges, police stations, and McDonald's parking lots fall short as default changeover locations
How children's voices are largely left out of changeover planning, and what changes when they're finally asked
 
Resources from this Episode
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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080: Creating a Child-Centered Parenting Plan: How to Build Predictability, Peace, and Emotional Safety After Divorce

In this solo episode of the Children First Family Law® podcast, Krista explores one of the most essential tools for helping children thrive after separation or divorce—a thoughtful, child-centered parenting plan. Drawing from years of experience as a family law attorney, mediator, and parenting coordinator, Krista explains how clarity, predictability, and flexibility can create emotional safety for children during family transitions.
She breaks down how to design developmentally appropriate parenting schedules from infancy through adolescence and explains why focusing on stability rather than strict equality best supports a child’s well-being. Krista also covers shared decision-making, communication strategies, managing holidays and vacations, handling new relationships, and addressing common pitfalls like technology use and “right of first refusal” clauses. Throughout the episode, she emphasizes that clarity is love, predictability is safety, and structure is one of the greatest gifts parents can give their children.
Krista closes the episode by previewing her upcoming 16-week Co-Parent Coaching Program, designed to help parents create peaceful, structured, and emotionally healthy co-parenting lives. This October episode is a roadmap for parents seeking to build a stable and cooperative foundation for their children, even amid the challenges of family restructuring.
In this episode, you will hear:
The core philosophy behind a peaceful, child-centered parenting plan
How to structure parenting schedules for different age groups
Ways to handle decision-making responsibilities without conflict
Communication strategies that foster cooperation and reduce tension
How to address holidays, vacations, and new relationships thoughtfully
The importance of predictability, emotional safety, and flexibility
Resources from this Episode
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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079: When Typical Therapy Isn’t Enough: Navigating Complex Family Systems, with Dr. Marlene Bizub

Some of the most difficult family law cases aren't just high conflict — they're entrenched. In this episode of the Children First Family Law® Podcast, Krista Nash sits down with Dr. Marlene Bizub, a Colorado psychologist specializing in complex family systems therapy, to examine the cases that most therapists won't take and why that reluctance carries real consequences for children.
Dr. Bizub brings years of experience working with families where parent-child estrangement has reached a critical level. She breaks down what this work actually requires: why every family member must be involved, why recovery is measured in months or years rather than sessions, and how labels like "alienation" and "narcissist" often cloud the picture rather than clarify it.
This is a conversation every parent, attorney, and mental health professional in the family law space needs to hear.
In this episode, you will hear:
The difference between intentional parental alienation and protective behavior that sends the same message
Why complex family systems therapy requires every family member's participation, not just the estranged parent and child
How labeling a co-parent a narcissist or alienator often distorts the therapeutic process before it begins
Why this work takes months or years, and what parents who expect a quick fix are missing
The dangers of siloed individual therapy in high-conflict cases and what a systems-based approach does differently
Why therapists avoid court involvement, and the real cost that reluctance creates for children
How reunification cases can end in genuine recovery, even when parents arrive certain there's no way forward
Resources from this Episode
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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078: Top 10 Things to Things to Consider When Contemplating Divorce, from a Child Advocate’s View

In this episode of Children First Family Law, Krista guides you through the intricacies of divorce using a child-centered approach.
Krista shares her top ten considerations for those contemplating divorce, emphasizing the children's best interests. She highlights the importance of identifying subtle forms of abuse, such as coercive control, and discusses the potential for reconciliation in non-abusive relationships. She also underscores the value of seeking expert guidance and the value of contemplating legal separation as a potentially better first step as an alternative to divorce.
Krista addresses the challenges of co-parenting and financial management post-divorce. She explains how the legal system prioritizes the child's best interests in parenting time and decision-making, discussing the impact of shared parenting responsibilities and common conflicts. She delves into income imputation complexities in child support and spousal maintenance cases and explores changes in parenting dynamics when parents previously less involved in primary care seek more active roles.
She further examines the impact of divorce on relationships and future planning, considering the complexities of forming new relationships and relocation challenges. Krista highlights the importance of assembling a reliable team of professionals and explores different approaches to handling divorce, such as hiring attorneys, negotiating amicable agreements directly, and mediating.
 
This episode is a must-listen for a comprehensive guide to navigating divorce with the children's best interests in mind.
In this episode, you will hear:
Importance of a child-centered approach when considering divorce, emphasizing hiring professionals who prioritize children's needs
Identifying and addressing various forms of abuse, such as coercive control, and exploring legal separation as an alternative to divorce
Navigating co-parenting and financial management challenges post-divorce, especially for primary caregivers adjusting to shared parenting time and decision-making
Understanding the complexities of income imputation in child support and spousal maintenance and the dynamics of previously uninvolved parents seeking active roles
Impact of divorce on broader relationships, including friends, family, and new relationships, along with the challenges of potential relocations
Building a support team of legal and emotional resources to guide through the divorce process
Emphasizing the well-being of children in family law and discussing best-interest attorney roles and future series on domestic violence
Resources from this Episode
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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077: "Affirmative" Coparenting - Yes it's Possible! - with expert Allen Levy

Allen Levy, master's level psychologist and shared parenting educator, returns to the Children First Family Law Podcast for a conversation that goes well beyond the courtroom. Krista picks up where their last episode left off — exploring what it really takes for co-parents to function as professional colleagues, even when the relationship that brought them together has ended.
Al introduces his Affirmative Arts framework: a practical philosophy built around affirmative communication, emotional self-management, and the discipline of focusing on what you will do rather than what you can't, won't, or don't. The conversation covers dangerous words that quietly ignite conflict — including "should have," "why," and even "best interest" — and how small shifts in language can change everything.
Al also shares details on his upcoming shared parenting curriculum, designed to give parents, attorneys, and mental health professionals a concrete, affordable tool for doing the job of co-parenting right.
In this episode, you will hear:
The "job share" model of co-parenting and what it requires post-separation
Al's Affirmative Arts framework: a practical philosophy for communication and agency
Dangerous words that trigger conflict, including "should have," "why," "try," and "best interest"
The difference between output and outcome, and why focusing on what you control matters
Assertive communication as a boundary tool — stating what you will do, not what they should do
How the shared parenting curriculum helps attorneys manage high-conflict clients and build stronger cases
Al's upcoming online course — self-paced and affordable for parents, attorneys, and mental health professionals
Resources from this Episode
Online course by Al Levy: https://defusedivorce.com/programs?program=1746038048335x737946041885731300
Affirmative Arts -- https://affirmativearts.com/
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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076: Using "Structure" to Reduce Anxiety and Keep the Kids Out of the Middle: Part 2 of 2 with Dr. Ben Garber

In this episode of the Children First Family Law Podcast, Krista Nash continues her conversation with Dr. Ben Garber, exploring how structure — in all its forms — serves as a foundation for children's emotional health during and after divorce. From consistent bedtimes to bulletproof parenting plans, Dr. Garber makes the case that structure isn't about control — it's about reducing anxiety and helping children feel safe in an uncertain world.
Dr. Garber draws on more than 40 years of experience to address parents, co-parents, and family law professionals alike, using the framework of Russian nesting dolls to show how structure operates at every level of a family system. He also tackles the guilt-driven impulse to relax the rules during divorce — and why that instinct, however well-meaning, often backfires.
In this episode, you will hear:
Why structure reduces anxiety in children during and after divorce
The guilt trap — and why relaxing rules during divorce often backfires
How cooperative co-parents can operate with more flexibility, and why high-conflict parents need more rigid, court-imposed structure
The "nesting doll" framework — how structure applies at every level, from individual self-care to the courtroom
Self-care as structure — and why burned-out parents ultimately harm their kids
What family law professionals and judges can do to build better outcomes through intentional structure
Resources from this Episode
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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075: Using "Structure" to Diminish Kids' & Parents' Anxiety: Part 1 of 2 with Dr Ben Garber

Structure might not sound like the most exciting topic in family law, but it might be one of the most important. In this first part of a two-part conversation, Dr. Ben Garber, internationally recognized psychologist, prolific author, and one of the leading voices in child-centered family law, breaks down how clear boundaries, defined roles, consistent routines, and limits with associated consequences work together to reduce anxiety for children and parents navigating separation and divorce. The more conflict exists between co-parents, the more essential structure becomes to keep kids truly out of the middle.
Dr. Garber also draws on compelling research from medicine, dentistry, and public health to explain why advance orientation — knowing what to expect before entering any process — leads to better, faster, and more equitable outcomes for families in the court system.
This is a conversation that has the potential to shift everything about how you approach parenting after separation.
In this episode, you will hear:
The four "flavors" of structure and how each one reduces anxiety for children and parents
Why high-conflict co-parenting demands clearer boundaries than cooperative co-parenting
The difference between punishment and consequences, and why positive reinforcement wins
How research from medicine and public health proves advance orientation improves outcomes
Why informed consent alone isn't enough — families deserve a true roadmap into the legal process
The critical distinction between advance orientation and unethical coaching in family law
How reducing parental anxiety leads to faster settlements, lower costs, and a more equitable court system
Resources from this Episode
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
Mending Fences: A Collaborative, Cognitive-Behavioral Reunification Protocol Serving the Best Interests of the Post-Divorce, Polarized Child: https://a.co/d/hfKNEl3
Holding Tight-Letting Go: Raising Healthy Kids in AnxiousTimes: https://a.co/d/5XXmYBs
The Family Law Professional's Field Guide to High-Conflict Litigation: Dynamics, Not Diagnoses: https://a.co/d/elmm71x
Keeping Kids Out of the Middle: Child-Centered Parenting in the Midst of Conflict, Separation, and Divorce: https://a.co/d/4OBxU6m
The Healthy Parent's ABC's: Healthy Parenting Made Clear and Easy-to-Read: https://a.co/d/hMKHhXP
Taming the Beast Within: Managing Anger in Ourselves and Our Children Through Divorce (Healthy Parenting): https://a.co/d/j6irF4D
The Roadmap to the Parenting Plan Worksheet: Putting Parenting Priorities in the Context of Research, Theory and Case Law: https://a.co/d/fbYB6PG
Caught in the Middle: A Letter to My Divorced Parents (Healthy Parenting, 2): https://a.co/d/3g3p2pv
Developmental Psychology for Family Law Professionals: Theory, Application and the Best Interests of the Child: https://a.co/d/6vzqPgS
Twisted Allies: https://a.co/d/2DKVTbg
Coupon Code for his Defuse Divorce program for April and May 2026: DEFUSEme2026
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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074: How Do I Get My Child’s Voice Heard? Picking the Right Child Advocate in Child Custody Cases in Colorado

Parents often want their children’s voices to be heard during the divorce process. However, how that happens can vary greatly depending on the family’s situation.
On this episode of Children First Family Law, Krista explains the “best interests” standard in Colorado and what families can expect regarding their child’s voice being heard in court. She outlines the nine factors Colorado uses to determine parenting time allocation, including considerations of factors used in allocating decision-making in a no-fault divorce state. Krista shares specific situations, such as alcohol or drug abuse or domestic violence, that can elevate a child’s voice in these scenarios, the ideal scenario for parenting time versus what often occurs, and ways a therapist can be utilized in a divorce case. She defines the roles of Child and Family Investigators (CFIs) and Parental Responsibilities Evaluators (PREs), as well as the drawbacks of involving either of them in a case. Finally, Krista explains how you can benefit from a child’s best interests attorney (Child’s Legal Representative or “CLR”) to attempt to curate solutions alongside parents and professionals involved in your case while representing the best interests of the child as an attorney advocate who obtains and considers the child’s wishes
Divorce can be messy and traumatic for everyone involved. Keeping your child’s best interests at the forefront and hiring qualified professionals can make the process smoother, making it more manageable for everyone.
In this episode, you will hear:
The use of the “best interests” standard in Colorado
Ensuring a child’s voice is heard in the court while avoiding an adversarial approach to the other parent
Colorado’s implementation of nine factors to determine parenting time allocation, including:
Parents’ wishes
Child’s wishes
The relationship between the child and parents, siblings, and any other person who significantly affects the child's best interests
The child’s adjustment to home, school, and community
The mental and physical health of everyone involved
The parties’ ability to encourage the sharing of love, affection, and contact between the child and the other parent
Whether the parties’ past involvement shows a system of values, time commitment, and mutual support
How far apart the parties live
The ability of each party to place the needs of the child ahead of their own needs
How no-fault divorce impacts considerations of parenting time and decision-making
Alcohol abuse, drug abuse, and domestic violence, and Colorado’s statute that indicates a child’s voice should have strong consideration in these situations
The ideal scenario for parenting time versus what often occurs
A movement in Colorado toward children over 12 years old to become more actively involved in court proceedings and hearings in the dependency and neglect courts but not so much in domestic/divorce courts
Ways a therapist can be used in court proceedings
Bringing in witnesses to testify to what’s best for the child
The role of Child and Family Investigators (CFIs) in Colorado, their requirements, their cost, and how they can impact the parenting dynamic
The role of Parental Responsibilities Evaluators (PREs), who can do everything a CFI can, plus do deeper analysis including psychological testing of parents
The downsides of bringing in CFIs and PREs
The benefits of a child's best interest attorney or Child Legal Representative (CLR), who they represent, the requirements they must meet, what they can and cannot do, and what they cost
A CLR’s ability to curate the right people to work with the parties involved in the case
When you should pursue a child advocate and why you shouldn’t wait too long
Resources from this Episode
www.childrenfirstfamilylaw.com
All states have different laws; be sure you are checking out your state laws specifically surrounding divorce. Krista is a licensed attorney in Colorado and Wyoming but is not providing through this podcast legal advice. Please be sure to seek independent legal counsel in your area for your specific situation. 
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